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	<title>Comments on: Letting go of Tim Ferriss&#8217; Four-Hour Work Week</title>
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		<title>By: Barbara Saunders</title>
		<link>http://www.copylicious.com/2008/03/letting-go-of-tim-ferriss-four-hour-work-week/comment-page-1/#comment-2016</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 19:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of comments: 

In reality, I think we average Americans do have &quot;other people&quot; doing most of the work for us! Just not in the way we think. Many of us do make work in exchange for money, while others grow and process our food, for example. The work I was doing for a large company that shall remain nameless: reformatting documents for hundreds of dollars a day. 

Also, I have a completely different take on Tim Ferris. He is an entertainer, a P.T. Barnum. What he does, flakey or not IS work. Writing, book touring, networking for that next photo op, the testing he describes doing to arrive at the exact title for his book/brand. It all sounds very glamourous, which is part of why his ideas sell. 

I had one experience of touring as a musician and one experience of (very minor!) modeling. I choke every time I hear someone describe these jobs as &quot;just standing around and making lots of money.&quot; Are they better than shoveling coal for $50 per day? Certainly? 

Something I find really interesting in the American psyche: everyone seems to think that they work harder than everyone else. Wealthy, successful people ignore the fact that poor people working 3 jobs are also hard workers. People with unglamorous jobs let the glamour of things like &quot;rock star&quot; blind them to the grueling work it can be. Managers think their subordinates are goofing off; staff ask, &quot;What the hell does management do?&quot;

This is precisely why a book like Tim&#039;s sells in the first place - it is a fiction that fits exactly to a fantasy we already have - and live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of comments: </p>
<p>In reality, I think we average Americans do have &#8220;other people&#8221; doing most of the work for us! Just not in the way we think. Many of us do make work in exchange for money, while others grow and process our food, for example. The work I was doing for a large company that shall remain nameless: reformatting documents for hundreds of dollars a day. </p>
<p>Also, I have a completely different take on Tim Ferris. He is an entertainer, a P.T. Barnum. What he does, flakey or not IS work. Writing, book touring, networking for that next photo op, the testing he describes doing to arrive at the exact title for his book/brand. It all sounds very glamourous, which is part of why his ideas sell. </p>
<p>I had one experience of touring as a musician and one experience of (very minor!) modeling. I choke every time I hear someone describe these jobs as &#8220;just standing around and making lots of money.&#8221; Are they better than shoveling coal for $50 per day? Certainly? </p>
<p>Something I find really interesting in the American psyche: everyone seems to think that they work harder than everyone else. Wealthy, successful people ignore the fact that poor people working 3 jobs are also hard workers. People with unglamorous jobs let the glamour of things like &#8220;rock star&#8221; blind them to the grueling work it can be. Managers think their subordinates are goofing off; staff ask, &#8220;What the hell does management do?&#8221;</p>
<p>This is precisely why a book like Tim&#8217;s sells in the first place &#8211; it is a fiction that fits exactly to a fantasy we already have &#8211; and live.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Normand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Normand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 20:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest thing that Tim Ferriss brought to the table was the idea that you could examine your work life and optimize it.  And about taking seriously the idea that you don&#039;t need to wait till retirement to do cool stuff.  Agreed that Sher is more practicable than Ferriss.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest thing that Tim Ferriss brought to the table was the idea that you could examine your work life and optimize it.  And about taking seriously the idea that you don&#8217;t need to wait till retirement to do cool stuff.  Agreed that Sher is more practicable than Ferriss.<br />
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Michael. I think I need to take my own advice and re-read her book. It&#039;s easy to forget about the work-joy part when you&#039;re under a bunch of deadlines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Michael. I think I need to take my own advice and re-read her book. It&#8217;s easy to forget about the work-joy part when you&#8217;re under a bunch of deadlines.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kelberer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kelberer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to second the suggestion that Barbara Sher is a much healthier worklife coach than Ferriss - I loved her books and they motivated me to turn work into joy, not vacation. Ferriss&#039; concept isn&#039;t even new - the One Minute Manager gets around to the same idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to second the suggestion that Barbara Sher is a much healthier worklife coach than Ferriss &#8211; I loved her books and they motivated me to turn work into joy, not vacation. Ferriss&#8217; concept isn&#8217;t even new &#8211; the One Minute Manager gets around to the same idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, Mahesh, and thanks for your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, Mahesh, and thanks for your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Mahesh Viswanathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mahesh Viswanathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t buy the &quot;unsustainable&quot; theory; within the scope of your lifetime, it very possible to have other people do most of your work for you. There are plenty of people all over the world who will work for what you consider peanuts. If that ever gets unsustainable, you can figure something out at that time.

The point is that outsourcing your have-to-do work can free you up to do the want-to-do work. If you already like what you&#039;re doing, then keep doing it!

I&#039;ve been working on my own for the last 4 years, and there are several things that Mr. Ferriss writes that echo my own experience.

Mahesh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t buy the &#8220;unsustainable&#8221; theory; within the scope of your lifetime, it very possible to have other people do most of your work for you. There are plenty of people all over the world who will work for what you consider peanuts. If that ever gets unsustainable, you can figure something out at that time.</p>
<p>The point is that outsourcing your have-to-do work can free you up to do the want-to-do work. If you already like what you&#8217;re doing, then keep doing it!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been working on my own for the last 4 years, and there are several things that Mr. Ferriss writes that echo my own experience.</p>
<p>Mahesh</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Havi, thanks for motivating me to get to the gym! I had no idea I was at risk for turning into a flake by not lifting weights!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Havi, thanks for motivating me to get to the gym! I had no idea I was at risk for turning into a flake by not lifting weights!</p>
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		<title>By: Havi Brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Havi Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 02:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooh! Another Tim Ferris break-up? Must be a trend.

You&#039;re right on target about the unsustainability thing, and I think it&#039;s also about the freak-out factor. When someone (like Milana Leshinsky) says &quot;do what I do and you&#039;ll be able to work twenty hours a week&quot;, it&#039;s exciting because you can FEEL how restorative and healthy that would be. Plus it sounds like it might actually possible.

A human-scaled workweek! Something that would let you do the thing you were born to do, and still have time for your own life, your own self-work process. Ahhh, I want!

Four hours presses a lot of panic buttons. And when you&#039;re in panic mode you just can&#039;t be creative.

Also, about the flake thing: my yoga mentor once spent a year only stretching -- no strength exercises. He&#039;d been an olympic swimmer and figured he could skip it for a while. After several months he noticed that he&#039;d started flaking on appointments. So: balance between flexibility and strength in your work or your work-out, pretty much the only smart way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh! Another Tim Ferris break-up? Must be a trend.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right on target about the unsustainability thing, and I think it&#8217;s also about the freak-out factor. When someone (like Milana Leshinsky) says &#8220;do what I do and you&#8217;ll be able to work twenty hours a week&#8221;, it&#8217;s exciting because you can FEEL how restorative and healthy that would be. Plus it sounds like it might actually possible.</p>
<p>A human-scaled workweek! Something that would let you do the thing you were born to do, and still have time for your own life, your own self-work process. Ahhh, I want!</p>
<p>Four hours presses a lot of panic buttons. And when you&#8217;re in panic mode you just can&#8217;t be creative.</p>
<p>Also, about the flake thing: my yoga mentor once spent a year only stretching &#8212; no strength exercises. He&#8217;d been an olympic swimmer and figured he could skip it for a while. After several months he noticed that he&#8217;d started flaking on appointments. So: balance between flexibility and strength in your work or your work-out, pretty much the only smart way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great point, Mark. I kept thinking about that unsustainability issue, too. If everyone is intent on living a 4 hour workweek, and everyone has a team of people working under them, who is actually doing the work? And who is better off? Is it really the person doing no work? How long until the people doing all the work wise up and beat you at your own game?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great point, Mark. I kept thinking about that unsustainability issue, too. If everyone is intent on living a 4 hour workweek, and everyone has a team of people working under them, who is actually doing the work? And who is better off? Is it really the person doing no work? How long until the people doing all the work wise up and beat you at your own game?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Silver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with you. Tim&#039;s book has many brilliant things in it- but, like many of the things present in western culture, it&#039;s ultimately unsustainable. The only way he can manage a four-hour workweek, is if other people are doing the work.

I must give him his due, as you do, that getting help and support, and thinking more clearly through work patterns is incredibly important.

And yet I had a similar heart reaction to his book that I did to The Secret- there is something not entirely -true- at the core of it all, even if there are beneficial elements involved. Thanks for articulating it. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with you. Tim&#8217;s book has many brilliant things in it- but, like many of the things present in western culture, it&#8217;s ultimately unsustainable. The only way he can manage a four-hour workweek, is if other people are doing the work.</p>
<p>I must give him his due, as you do, that getting help and support, and thinking more clearly through work patterns is incredibly important.</p>
<p>And yet I had a similar heart reaction to his book that I did to The Secret- there is something not entirely -true- at the core of it all, even if there are beneficial elements involved. Thanks for articulating it. <img src='http://www.copylicious.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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